Get The Facts
July 17, 2008
Thanks again to all my friends and supporters.
I have been busy responding to emails, preparing for court, and many other things, I appreciate all that support me and write to me, for those who want to bash me, or just speak their dirty minds, sorry this is not the place, sadly there is enough places for that.
I will keep you all posted.
Best Regards
Gitty.
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People that have nothing to do but bashing Gitty, need to get a life, you guys dont know anything about her, and to judge someone bases on a single article and comments from outsiders is not realistic.
Gitty dear,
I wish i can do what you did. I envy your courage and strength. Nobody but you knows how much you love this child. Keep on fighting and stay strong. Your daughter needs you. Dont give up
You never cease to amaze me, Gitty. So so proud of you! Youre strength and determination is what will get you through all this.
we’re praying for you and your daughter
i am really proud of you too, gitty…. i am here for you. let me know if there is ever anything i can do. xoxxo
—tara
gitty,
I am proud of you. stay strong. don’t let closed minded people get you down. You are my hero.
I know everything will work out well for you and Esther Miriam.
baruch
your story is very moving. I feel for you and your daughter. you got new york behind you. stay strong…and dont give up
I wish i can help with your legal finances…..for i know it can be very costly. Im here for you, If u ever need someone to talk to.
I still cant get over what youve done. I’m thinking about you, and hoping you will get through this very soon
I’m wishing you the best and I’m keeping you and your daughter in my prayers. There is a website I heard about “http://www.footstepsorg.org/” that might be able to help you find a job and get a GED. Don’t ever give up! There may be those who don’t agree with you, but I believe there are many more that do and support you to the fullest. Much love and respect.
Yes, I agree with FreeThinker, footsteps can be very helpful to you.
From the article I may have understood that you’re not very interested in getting too caught up with the x-hasidic crowd. But you won’t have to socialize much to receive help from the organization.
I also recommend Footsteps to you. The drug use issue came about because of difficult adapting to the outside world, and once you have a better foundation for adapting, you will have much less need for such things as drugs. A GED and job training should be your first priority. As for lifestyle, you have careened from one extreme to another, which is common for those of us who leave the fold - but stability is somewhere in the middle. You must find the middle ground - hard at first, but not impossible at all.
As for Judaism itself: There is plenty of room for Hashem and Biblical Torah observance outside of the confines of UO sects of Judaism. You seem to have, like many before you, apparently rejected Hashem and His covenant along with your rejection of UO fundamentalism - but in reality, Hashem has done you a great favor by giving you the opportunity to have a real life of freedom from their terrorism and power-mongering. Many people never get past the anger and rejection stage of their grief of their messed up life - but you can do it. Many have. I urge you not to throw out the baby with the bathwater - pardon the phrase, but I cannot think of a better analogy. You have been taught that all other forms of Judaism are heresy, but in reality they who taught you this are the heretics, and less stringent halacha is absolutely acceptable to Hashem and always has been. You have been taught lies in place of real history - the Judaism they’re trying to pass off as “from Sinai” is an invention of the 19th and 20th centuries. As you well know, your grandparents don’t recognize it - neither would Moshe or Aharon.
So I urge you to find a new congregation, a congregation that lives in the real world and not a shtetl mentality, and recognize that Hashem is not what they made Him out to be at all. He wants you to have real joy in life - not the false and unfulfilling “joys” of decadent American culture. He as freed you from the fundamentalist wackos in part so that you can find the real Him and the real Torah. Doing so will help you find the peace and stability that you need. So please find a modern Rabbi or Rebbetzin and work towards a balanced life. I assure you it can be done. It’s work, but there is light and peace at the end of it.
Hi Gitty:
I do not agree with Sam. Although I understand his concern for your daughter’s security and having a roof over her head; having a prison for your soul is not, in my opinion, giving her a good life. It’s just convenient.
On the other hand, if you are in a mode of experimentation, you
could also hurt your daughter. Having grown up in a conservative Jewish home where for the most part I was exposed to the whole world, I made plenty of mistakes too. Freedom without deep responsibility can lead to disaster. You have been kind of imprisoned for your entire life, yet you quickly woke up and are expressing your own style. Very fast turnaround - which is why you wound up with the x-cultees who are doing drugs, etc.
Anesthetizing a mind with drugs and alcohol don’t make things better - they just trade one prison for another. Yeah, it may make the pain feel better for a minute; but it makes the burden worse quickly.
If you want your daughter with you, then you need to keep your own identity crisis in much lower importance than the need to give your daughter a good home, food, happiness. If you are going to spend years experimenting with all the stuff you were kept away from, she could suffer even greater than from lack of freedom.
My opinion, as the single mother of a daughter who I gave too much freedom to, but is a wonderful and gorgeous productive human being —
You need to establish priorities fast. You need to dress more conservative when you go to see her over “there.” This is not about your ego - this is about your daughter. You can dress as you wish when you are home. You need to put her well being before your own; and the devotion to her well being will in turn give you great joy. Mothers do have to sacrifice. Even those of us who seem “free.” But it comes with motherhood.
I congratulate you from getting away from what I can only refer to as a cult. Fear, guilt and negativity is no way to cultivate religious
beliefs. It just shows you that without those three most people would not do it. Because if you have to be forced to do something-
it’s counter intuitive.
I lived out of guilt for much of my life. Not any more. My connection to the universe is based on real spirituality now. Not the rules and regulations someone a while ago wrote in a book. An unenlightened person who had the power to get others to follow him. No one is perfect; certainly not he either. and to have people’s lives be influenced by your own personal journey, to me, is a bad cause in the universe. His clothes have nothing to do with G-d. Certainly a big fur hat has nothing to do with G-d. But I also
have a different take on G-d, etc. I somehow believe that there is no messiah coming. It’s a life condition. Humans should grow up and stop waiting for Daddy to come and save them. It’s a responsibility (there’s that word again) that all humans must take to save this planet and the life within it. We have destroyed so much of it and these religious fanatics do nothing good, that I can see, making them special or holy. Instead, they help destroy the world that they believe something greater than them - G-d - created. (Did G-d create other people just to be ignored by the Satmars? Come on! How arrogant and stupid!)
I’m digressing. That NYork article made me so angry. But back to you and your daughter. If you commit yourself to really working hard, and taking the responsibility to be a mother first before catching up with what you may have missed, you will be wonderful and life saving for your daughter. If you aren’t ready to just let the rest come naturally as you go along, it won’t work.
In this universe, it’s all up to you. YOU will make the difference; you will make the right or wrong causes. You will be the best mother ever. I think leaving your daughter as a step daughter in some cult upstate is not the best thing for her. She’s got your genes too - how happy is she going to be as a prisoner in the 21st Century?
Anyone who thinks that leaving her there is a stable home and so it’s okay is not thinking properly. OR is a Satmar in disguise.
Make the right choice and don’t let the crap you missed sway you.
You’re very young to have a daughter in the regular world. But you can do it. You need help. You need strength. And you need to get your focus on straight. You need to dress properly when you show up in court. That’s not the place to “express yourself.” You need to prove that you can give your daughter a healthy and happy life. Which I believe you can do. Society in a way is not
too far from the cult you were in. To a big extent, the powers that be are judgmental and rule freaks. They are a bit more tolerant than what you experienced. But you’ve got to play by their rules too, to get what you want. Right or wrong, they could judge you as someone “too loose” to be stable. Don’t give them a reason for it. Look responsible when you go to court, etc. Be respectful. You have plenty of time and places to do your own thing. That’s not the place.
I know. I’ve had experience.
And whatever you do, don’t do drugs or alcohol. You have enough problems already. Then, you can look back at all this and
leave it in the dust.
D
Gitty,
Hi! I really feel bad for you, since you are just a very unfortunate human being. You grew up in the tiny part of the heimishe community that is closed-minded and communistic. It is a true pity that you could never experience the true beauty of our religion out of your own will.
While I would not dare to judge you, I have ask you to please be open-minded and explore the other sectors of the jewish community. There is a fountain of warmth and love waiting to welcome you! Only when you have properly looked into ALL your options, can you say you made a smart decision.
Remember one thing, the people in KJ may be communists and harassing, but they do not speak for or represent even a single other jew. It would be unwise and ill-advised to base any decision on their behavior.
One more thing, please think about what you will have left after the lights go out. Beauty? That may last 15-20 years. Money? Good luck having any real friends who will be there for you in good times and bad. Fame? There is 15 minutes of that, and you have already used up 12.
Perhaps a loving and warm family from which happiness will truly radiate may be more appealing. Something you get to leave over in this world.
Something you will be proud of every living moment.
May Hashem Bless you and help you make the right decision with a clear mind!
Love,
Your fellow open-minded community.
Gitty,
just realize that all negetive comments stopped on nymag.com since friday night, since then all has been good and positive, just know who supports you, and who does not, its simple math.
Joy.
I am in the Raliegh Hotel for the weekend. I had a chance to meet ur ex who stayed here over shabbos. he is a nice guy, very content. a real mench.
now, motzeh shabbes, u were the topic, we had a few freinds from monroe come for some volley ball and pizza. people close to ya’all say there are many lies in the article. u see, I side with you against the “satmere and there taliban” who we all know are being backed by rabbi aaron and his fanantic taliban (u know taliban means students?….)
however, it was said tonight between others that the a lot of facts have been distored.
a neighbor mentioned that u did meet ur ex many times befoe u got engaged. it was no window shidduch, some suggested u even went beyond formal meetings… (is that true?)
ur husband is by far not a fanatic. his new wife seems very sweet, even I did not get to interect or talk to her, my wife told me that she is inteligent, smart, sweet, fashion forward and tzi de zach.
btw, yoely had a on stage appearance tonight the magician we had over for entertaiment called him out….
good luck with ur endevors… for one maybe the voice of the oppressed, my fellow hassids in monroe will be heared thru u, ur esther miriam will be a small sacrifice for the good of thousands of monre people. I hope this does not hurth u.
I am mobile now. tomorrow I plan to send some mulleh shmooleh your paypal way… cause u fight for ur self, even thou I do not support ur personal cause, and for that I respect you.
Knowing Gitty from the past and to have a BETTER feeling towards her.
Gitty is a very bright and beautiful girl. She was brought up by her step father who is a good guy. But he did not send her to the regular popular school he sent her to the Bnei Yoel school which is a break away school from the regular school. They are the ultra orthodox from the ulra orthodox in KJ alone. Like for an example if one girl dressess with navy blue tights some of the girls wearing black only will stop talking to that girl because black is more frum and the navy blue is one step below. that’s how crazy that school is.
Now being Gitty which she is a normal girl and her step father being an anti to the leadership went to that school and had no normal friends which made her life miserable in the shtetel.
Gitty grew up in a seperated CULT within Kiryas Joel known as the “Bnei Yoel” where she had no friends cuz they are twisted religous and a break away group from the regular mainstream in KJ.
Gitty is a nice jewish girl coming from a normal mother and married to a step father who had joined that group.
Her mother would dress her normal and modestly and that wouldn’t be good enough for that cult.
So she couldn’t be part of that group not all girls in her class would even talk to her.
Her husband Yoely is a very nice open minded and sweet hasidic yingerman not ready to break away or change his views he enjoys life the way he is.
It’s unfortunate that she was sent to that school and became isolated and her marriage couldn’t work out.
Hopefully things will change to the better for all of you
To Yoely from the Raleigh
You so contradict yourself, your english sucks, I doubt that you look at Gitty aa an “oppressed person”, and I dont believe for a minute that you will send her “Real money”
I am holding my breath (and i guess so does Gitty) LMAO. R
Sorry One more question:
Whats the average donation here?????? Rebecca
Gitty,
First of all, as someone who’s followed your story closely, I’m really amazed how strong you are and how well you keep yourself composed. I’m also surprised you didn’t elaborate more on the dark tactics and abuses Vaad Hatznius used against you. And I really get pissed off by the bulls**t distortions and lies by those who say it was Bnei Yoel who was after you. As a matter of fact, Vaad Hatznius is directed by the “mainstream” congregation, not Bnei Yoel.
I think it’s time for all those who’ve been violated by the “stupid taliban” Vaad Hatznius to press charges and bring them down.
Finally, regarding your daughter Ester Miriam, if you take her into your custody now, the both of you will be miserable. I strongly ask you to consider waiting a few years until you get settled and then reopen the case. Trust me, she won’t become one of those girls with seven kids by the time she’s thirty. You’ll be there to make sure of that. But in the meantime, finish your education and enjoy your newfound freedom. Don’t let your undying love for her blind you into doing the irrational.
With lots of admiration,
Jason
Hi Gitty!!!
Can you please explain how the child was taken from you was it by court order??? or just hooligans off the street???? If by hooligans, what have the police done to apprehend those resposible???? if by Court order why are you blaming the Hasids???? Before we give you our hard earned money, we are entitled to know the truth. Respectfully, Joey
PS who designed the website? its beautiful.
Wh dont you let us in on your trouble
Hi Gitty,
I understand your situation and I feel your hurting heart. I also understand that you grew up in KJ and know and understand all abuot it. But you have not tried all the other sections of yiddishkeit. There are frum yidden all over - ones with open and giving hearts, our community is full of chessed. There are so many organizations that you can turn to for help. Gitty, understand that the path you are taking is very lonseome and painful, come on, give it some thought all those wondering jews out there, most of them never find piece withing their heart. They are longing to return to their roots. It’s a very empty and painful life to lead…. So many yidden out there are willing to help you get stable and return you to normal status. I understand you are in a rebelling state right now, but hope that very soon you will want to seek and accept all the help offered to you.
wishing you all the best.
I’m a father of five BH and I can’t imagine your pain nor do I want chas veshulem, but why do you have to go from one extreme to the other? Why not pick the middle way?
You can be Orthodox and have “fun” I have many friends who have a TV at home and read newspaper an d magazine, have internet etc. and the wife has no shaitel and socks but obey the TORAH and don’t eat at a non kosher restaurant, you can enjoy a good kosher meal.
If the circumstances were reversed would you want your daughter to be raised this way? I don’t think so, I don’t justify the snatching of a child from her mother but understand your ex.
What disturbs me most, is you mocking the torah and the Jewish law that is unforgiving.
You should not do things in spite, pick the middle way and you will be happy.
I hope you will find the truth and yourself, god help you.
The thing is, with the article not only have satmar chasidim been denigrated, orthodoxy (judaism) has been painted in dark colors. I guess I don’t see the connection between going from hasidic to not keeping kosher (secular). That type of extremism is an unhealthy environment in which to raise a child. I cant imagine what it must be to go through what you are, and I wish you mazel and health and that your daughter should grow up physically and emotionally well.
For those who want to read more blogs - click on this website on “In her own words”. People, including myself left lots of comments.
As a teacher my response is, complete your education! Get a GED, go to college part-time, get your life together for the sake of your daughter!
im just wondering, in all these comments we get to see the love & care to Gitty by saying: be strong “you are in my prayers” what exactly do they mean by prayers?? is that prayers to G-D? or some kind of dreams that you call prayers? can some one explain that to me ? am i missing something?
I will prove to you that the only person who was interested in you was Yoiley. And all the people you are partying just needing you for “their” enjoyments
I will prove by the facts
1) None of the people you are parting have a normal life most are gay and don’t see any need for children
2) Even those who are married are not settled, and for any given reasons they will divorce are just go to a private apartment
3)Yoiley As you wrote tried all kinds of settlement living a discipline life a stable life within TORAH guidelines.
4) Even with no professional education the Jewish communities have lots of rich people.
5) The Jewish orthodox people are never broke they always real happy without partying.
I’m amazed of a boy from the Frum orthodox communities with shave beard have so strong principals.
Please think about the above facts and make your own disidion
And now what you are hare for
1) For the sake of you daughter, is better a true life (not just full of partying and no discipline)
2) You will survive when you will have a real look on what will be an ultimate solution for you (even when you will be at age of 50-70)
3) Think again about the life you choose if correct?
4) You will never find the real support at in artist style live
5) The best support and friends you may find in Flatbush or Far-Rockaway or other Jewish neighborhoods
I hope that you got all your answers hare
WELL DONE shia gold
Dearest Gitty,
I cannot pretend to know from where you come. I cannot judge you because I myself like many others dont want to be judged. However, Gitty the main feeling I have for your plight is compassion! After all is said and done, I understand the following to be true. You have not had an easy past, yet you can be in charge of your future. You have a mother that loves you and only wants the best for her child. You are a mother who loves her daughter but might be uncertain as to what is best for your child. You yourself was denied the chance to grow up and complete your years of developement so it only makes sense that you are lost in a world that for any of us on any given day is a difficult one. Gitty, without ever meeting you I know somewhere inside of you is an amazing person who has talent and special qualities that everyone can benefit from. I know that like most jewish women your only desire is to be happy and live your life ina calm relaxed manner. Some of us are given that blessing from day one and others like your self have to work hard to fight for it. Gitty, you are young and even thought it’s been a hard begining, hang in there and try to be the good person you know you want your daughter to see. If you have ever encountered a women who is barren and cannot have children then you could understand what a true blessing it is that you have a child. Thousands of women, jewish and non jewish struggle with that sadness, all I emplore you to do is to cherish the daughter you have and truly understand what’s best for her.
Gitty, I have feeling for you wanting to get your story out, howeverI feel bad that it had to be put into the hands of a reporter only to happy to smear the KJ world. What really gets my interest is that I know with certainty your story is really not over yet, andI would like the oppertunity to write it one day when it’s really a great story to write. Gitty the onething you are and no one can ever take away from you is that you are a Jewish Women. It is my hope that in time you’ll be able to explore the beauty of that and embrace all the amazing things it ahs to offer.
May hashem be with you and watch over you and your daughter,
Feel free to contact me privatly
Dini
DIhjet on July 18th, 2008 12:09 pm,
While we can all see that you have tremendous compassion for Gitty’s situation, I couldn’t help but notice your malice towards our Jewish religion’s beginnings.
You state:
“My connection to the universe is based on real spirituality now. Not the rules and regulations someone a while ago wrote in a book. An unenlightened person who had the power to get others to follow him.”
Are you referring to Moses as an ‘unenlightened’ person??
Moses was raised in the Egyptian palace for the first 20 years of his life. As befitting a prince he was probably educated in all the known regimens of that day. (The pyramids in Egypt, today, baffle our modern engineers. The complex geometry and advanced math that can be gleaned from that time period is amazing. All built with out mechanized machinery and computers.) I am not going to even address the torah laws that were also probably taught to him (in secret) at that time.
Fast forward 60 years and we find that 600,000+ males (2.3 million people by most conservative estimates) witnessed God giving the torah on Mt Sinai. It was a public event, an event type that no other religion can boast of. (No other religion can attest to the public delivery of divine inspiration in a public forum.) An event that had at least 2.3 million skeptics as seen many times throughout the story of the exodus. You can hoodwink 5, 10 possibly 1000, but 2.3 million?? You could argue that it happened so long ago that it can’t be true. Why does time seem to wipe the validity of truth? Could World War I or even our US Civil War be a myth, simply because it too happened so long ago? No way! We have documentation on those two wars then they really happened… Same with the Jewish religion, it is documented and has survived the 3300 years since that time.
Instead of blasting our way (I mean yours too, our-plural) of life why not find out what your heritage really consists of?
What a Chill Hashem !
Gitty
you look alot better with your shaitel, that your short hair.(my tastes).
This website is monitored like crazy. Any comment that tells the truth does not get to be seen.
Dear Gitty:
May god be with you, and be strong: what you did was the right thing, it is time that the world should know the truth about them, and this is only the first step for the world to know t who they are:
You are not the only one going trough this, they are discriminating against their own kind, and against everone who is more open minded then them:
All the Kiryas Yoel people has had a long violent history, at various times, they are cold hearted and they hate their own nationality, they are without religion and without torah, they don’t believe in god: they are wicked, cruel and sinful:
What they did to you is against the Yiddishe halachah, and against humanity:
There is a film coming out this year about a similar story to yours, and it will be for the whole world to see what they did and what they do to innocent people:
and I hope that this cruelty will end, and I hope you’ll be together with your child very soon, and be a happy family:
And to shia gold, I would like to say, that there is not even one Satmar person whioi s real happy, the only thing that makes them happy is to bring down others, and that what they do since they wake up until they cant go to sleep, and if you are talking about gay, you know them well whets going on in the Kiryas Yoel mikvahs, and stop being so jealous on open minded people, it is the oldest game in the Chasidic book to call open minded people, broken hearted and depressed, but this trick doesn’t work anymore:
all the best, and dont give up:::
Jay Ju~rs on July 22nd, 2008 9:01 pm ….
I find it very interesting that the words of sympathey are coming from jew bashers. They are glad they found their karbon that ruined her life, and daughters life for that matter, for these people’s agenda. I wish Gitty notices this trend, and wakes up to these people’s cruel- twisted way of thinking.
Gitty don’t be a mouth piece for mushegoyim. Let them ruin their kids lives. There is no reason that your daughter has to grow up with all this publicity on the web. Remember: The internet never forgets!!! Carefull!
Gitty,
I wrote on under the New York Magazine story, but figured you would never see it. I hope you will see this. I wish you all the best.
But here is some advice. Please stay away from drugs. Even if you are around it you will fail those court tests since it stays with you (in your hair). It’s also something that will destroy your life.
I grew up in Monroe. I walk Mill Pond all the time. (I try to smile at the KJ people to show that we secular people are friendly. They really need to exercise those smile muscles you know) I am a reform Jewish girl, who was brought up to follow her own path. If the KJ people knew this they would probably hate me more. But I respect their ways and dress accordingly if I go into KJ for work.
Enough about me. I just want you to know that there are ways to gain skills for free. If you volunteer in your nearest library you will have access to everything you ever wanted to know about the outside world. Also, they give courses (usually for free) on computers etc. They can also help you get your GED for school.
The Dispute Resolution Center in Goshen may also be able to help you with legal issues for free through their mediation center.
The DRC also have a program for parents going through a divorce called Parents Apart. It helps adults get their child through this tough period. Esther Miriam is only 4 but she can be affected by all that is happening. This course is $60, but they will forfeit the fee for anyone who can’t afford it. If you can’t go to Goshen they can put you in touch with a center that is close to where you live.
I don’t go to temple much anymore since 9/11 happened.
I lost a little faith, but I still believe in G-d and want you to know I will pray for you and Esther Miriam to be together again.
Best wishes to you.
A secular girl, who really cares.
i dont understand why you have to get a frie yid because you have bad expiriance with kj come and leave in flatbush between orthdox jews every body get to accept you with warm hands and you could find a good shiduch and be a yid, and know what you wrote in your article is crazy and youknoe why becase th torah is saving our lifes and every doctor who see the lifestyle from the jews are going crazy how healthy the torah gives the halucchas from the 7 days this saves our lifes i cant write more but i mean that you are undestanding so why do you weite those crazy things if you are not happy leaving in kj come leave in flatbush or monsey or something ells but if you are not happy to be a orthodux jew dont mean that you are get to be happy being a frie jew remember what you know we have a big bashefer who wait of you you should do teshuva and get to be happy if you are getting a baal teshuva
Gitty, I am Chassidish with some Satmar education in my background, I am terribly sorry for your troubles and sorrow and can only wish you that your situation improves and your wishes granted.
I am surprised however that after looking through your twenty-something photos posted on the NYMag website, I couldn’t find a trace of happiness or satisfaction, I understand you are going thru considerable grief and difficulty, still haven’t you just recently discovered a new and brighter world? shouldn’t that bring you at least some joy? Those deep dark eyes speak of misery, discontent and sadness, your inner spiritual senses are unhappy.
Gitty, you have no authority, no commitments, you are in control of your life and your future, you can and should make the right choices now, you are young, bright and aggressive, I advise you join a more moderate congregation there are many brilliant young Rabbis that would eagerly guide with all your issues, get a professional education, I can assist you with financial support if you make the proper choices.
Gitty, again I want to bless you and wish you good luck with your fight and with your choices!!!
To all the people with negative toughts;
By growing up in a very chasidic community my self, I understand and I know exactly what Gitty is going trough, especially those people in Kiryas Joel are able to ruin someone’s life and torture innocent people for no reasson,(sorry,ya for the reasson of being more open minded then them) and noone should blame her for what she did, how would u feel being in her situation? it is easy for u to talk big, I know to much what’s going on in ;iryas Joel and other peoples blood is a joke to them? they will allways have a torah reasson why to humiliate and discriminate against innocent people; they are allways playing the nice guys, but they are much worst then u can ever imagine, they are so bad, so cold blooded and so cold hearted that they can turn on their own child from one minute to another, for no good reasson, and noone should come here and try to make Gitty look as a fake story teller and try to lecture her to become a better person, when her daughter was taken away from her just for the reasson of being different then them;
all those rumors about her doing drugs and whatever is nobodys bussiness and maybe u should thing what u would do in her situation, thing about it or 5 minutes, when there is a whole community of ya, monsters, and they try to bring u down? i am sure u would just walk straight into the mall and buy a lunger skirt; and become very frum’
my family is chasidish, and I really love them, they live in Boro Park, and they r very nice;
but; let me say this from my own experience, that the people of ;Kiryas Joel as evertone knows are only busy with politics, no, not govt politics, they r busy fighting each other day and night, and they will do anything to proof their point, even going against the torah and agains the law and of course agains humanity; I have 360 pages of writen facts about them, where tey are full of sinds against god, and whatever they do is against the Torah and humanity
and don’t point your fingers so fast on Gitty, before you know who they are and what they did to her;
all the best, and my blessing to all of you;
J
To Jay (not so) Ehrlich
Care to write to me on private Thanks
Roberto@GroupUSAsia.com
you go girl…
love from tel aviv.
miry
Miry
While you may send “Love from Tel-Aviv” that doesnt help Gitty much, besides exactly where are you telling her to go????
Rifka
Dear Gitty,
Firstly, I want to say to those reading these posts that you must realize what an incredible leap of faith this young woman has made — and the incredible amount of guilt which accompanies such a decision as leaving a cult lifestyle. I myself understand this. While I was not raised religious, I became ba’alat teshuvah in my adulthood, and my spiritual pendulum swung in the haredi direction. I left a typical modern/centrist orthodox community on the West Coast, decided it wasn’t “frum” enough for me and headed for the East Coast. Not to a charedi community such as the one Gitty left, but for the sake of this conversation, I can say in all honesty that I have seen more hypocrisy, abuse, paradox, and downright nasty non-Toradikeh behavior in my two years here than I ever thought possible. As a close friend pointed out, the Torah is still true — there are yidden out there who are “the real thing”, and the true Torah allows for us to use our own senses to interpret the world and the truth. I commend you Gitty for your courage, and I know that, with time, you will uncover the Universal truth for yourself and that wil be your Torah.
I know you are changing and wondering and hoping, and loving your child. As others have said, you are not alone. See how many people care about your story and about you and Esther Miriam.
Stay strong, pray in your own voice, visualize yourself as being cared for and successful. Everything will work out in the end.
Hatzlacha rabbah, may G-d be with you. Yiverechecha Hashem veyishmerecha…
Dear Gitty,
Firstly, I want to say to those reading these posts that you must realize what an incredible leap of faith this young woman has made — and the incredible amount of guilt which accompanies such a decision as leaving a cult lifestyle. I myself understand this. While I was not raised religious, I became ba’alat teshuvah in my adulthood, and my spiritual pendulum swung in the haredi direction. I left a typical modern/centrist orthodox community on the West Coast, decided it wasn’t “frum” enough for me and headed for the East Coast. Not to a charedi community such as the one Gitty left, but for the sake of this conversation, I can say in all honesty that I have seen more hypocrisy, abuse, paradox, and downright nasty non-Toradikeh behavior in my two years here than I ever thought possible. I am returning to the community that I left in a few months.
As a close friend pointed out, the Torah is still true — there are yidden out there who are “the real thing”, and the true Torah allows for us to use our own senses to interpret the world and the truth. I commend you Gitty for your courage, and I know that, with time, you will uncover the Universal truth for yourself and that wil be your Torah.
I know you are changing and wondering and hoping, and loving your child. As others have said, you are not alone. See how many people care about your story and about you and Esther Miriam.
Stay strong, pray in your own voice, visualize yourself as being cared for and successful. Everything will work out in the end.
Hatzlacha rabbah, may G-d be with you. Yiverechecha Hashem veyishmerecha…
check this out.
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080727/NEWS/807270328
Check it out man
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080727/NEWS/807270328
Dear Gitty!
Me and many of my friends went through and is going through the similar situation and we feel your pain and we are all with you any thing we can do to help you let us know wi’ll try to do all!
My short Story; my wife and her Parents decided it that im not following the religion like they think Is right and they wanted a divorce ok! after a few month they wont let me see my kids because they say that its not good for the kids to see there dad when he isn’t religious(like they feel I have to be) Its sad and im starting a court case and hope to succeed!
Quoting an article i read:
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080727/NEWS/807270328
Our first and foremost importance in life is being there and loving our children, no matter what.” “” Rosalie Sentor, a stay-at-home mom of nine, on the role of a Hasidic woman …
Are you kidding me? the minute a child decides not to lead a Hassidic Jewish lifestyle, there is no love left and of course not being there for the child either … matter of fact, they even concider the child dead and the sit “shiveh” I know that from many who have left the community. The strange thing that the child that left could be leading a very respectful and rightous life, byt if its not Judaism, you’re completely thrown out of the community and family. The only way that they will talk to you, is to try to convince you that once born a jew, you will always be a yew… and you MUST come back.
I left that community because i was molested by own father a RABBI for 5 years ,so of course no one believed me and I had to sruggle to survive on my own as a 15 year old girl.
Some years have passed and i am truly happy, leaving that extreme community was the most positive thing I have ever done in my life.
Even though I live a very respectful life and i am leaning towards being vegan, respect alll human beings and life and race and make it a point not to hurt people, my mom still doesnt accept me and tell me i must return to the jewish lifestyle instead of seing how happy I am and share my happiness with me as her daughter, her flesh and blood.
Gitty, its a lonely road at first, but when you start walking it, you willl find the strenght once u you see that its a friendly world out there if you surround yourself with good people. I have learned and acomplished a lot
and could not have done it without good friends and of course my dearest brother who i love the most and we are there for each othe rno matter what.
Inall honesty, every being in the world should be aware and know that kind and good people exist everywhere, not just in Jewsih communities (which are good and vbad like everywhere else)
hi. we read the article and we’re so proud of you–we think you’re so courageous. we’re glad to see your article getting positive feedback and bringing attention to people who are in similar situations. we love you so much…don’t give up!
your cousins,
grace and gabe
p.s. looking forward to seeing you whenever…
“no stars in the sky” hmmm..
They’ve been givin you pee to drink and tellin you its Tropicana Orange Juice..
they’ve been feedin you ’sugar’ and telling you its ‘Cream of Wheat’!!
btw, was this yoily character related to the rav by the same last name that paskened against Chaim gettin custody etc,and whom chaim wanted to ‘draw a bead’ on? if so, we can apply the possuk to the rav’s past and current actions,”heratzachtoh vegam yorashta?” , - “will you kill and also inherit?” these misanthropes have the morality and ethics of an ameoba, - and a retarded one at that.
HAVING KIDS IS JUST A PART OF OUR LIVES. I WISH YOU ALL THE LUCK IN THE WORLD, BUT YOU ARE SO YOUNG. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. COLLEGE MAYBE? YOUR FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT THE WORLD IS OPEN TO YOU. YOU CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BE. BY EDUCATING YOURSELF YOU WILL BE EDUCATING YOUR DAUGHTER. THINGS MUST BE SO SCAREY FOR YOU NOW. HANG IN! IT WILL NOT BE THIS PAINFUL FOREVER.
Our hearts and prayers are with you at this time. Be strong. Stand tall.
GITTY I AM ALL THERE FR YOU!!! KJ SHTETL IS THE WOST PLACE TO LIVE!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!
GITTY IF YOU WANT TO REMARRY ANYTIME I AM THERE FOR YOU.I CAN BE YOUR REEL LOVE JUST CALL 718 388 3413
I know u r very bright but transitioning to and in school after you’ve benefited from the satmar educational system can be difficult even for a genius. If u want any assistance with school work and academic guidance I can provide it and hook you up.
Best gabi
gabi303@hotmail.com
i beleive aquiring an education is the most important thing in your life right now that shows stability it shows youre somthing. i also dont know why everyone keeps on telling you to become religous at the end of the day its your decsion and your life so you better choose wisely, im irrlegious though i didnt dropped it completly(im a beleiver) and i understand exactly where youre coming from i also come from a community very similar to KJ and i left and it was very diffcult but gradually im getting used to it. my advice is DONT GIVE UP NEVER GIVE UP THERE IS STILL HOPE KEEP ON PRAYING HASHEM LISTENS TO EVERYONE NO MATEER WHAT.